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Cap'n Hoek · Jun 23, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Louis Ste Colombe

I'd say that Korea and Japan are way ahead both US and Europe as far as computer technology, network or cellphone (not that it matters...) are concerned.

It's just not possible. How many times has Tokyo been stomped into the dirt by Godzilla?

Although, I did hear that Ultraman was recently spotted buzzing around Korea...

Akilles · Jun 23, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Swarnt Brightstar

Quite frankly Bill Gates is hiring asian people to work in his company over americans. Do you want to know why! because the americans-yes I'm american-are LAZY(also cause we dont have a good enough education)-yes I am-Koreans have always been blue-just a hunch-since the korean war (I think it's the vietnam cant remember been playin to much GW)so they worked alot harder than us. Same thing when teh mahogany-americans were free. they worked one helluva lot harder than we did.

Meh, i would say we are impatient, not lazy. Companies out-source so the CEO can get a big fat raise when he shows the board how much he is saving the company by paying 75% less per hour per person and still getting almost the same amount of work. He looks like a hero and thosands go to the un-employment line then americans stop buying since they can afford it then corporations wonder why the biggest buyer market in the world stopped spending.

I was VERY suprosed to hear that americans at one point worked more than japanese

It was true, not sure if it still is. but the avg american put in so much over time we worked more hours!!! WOW!!!

As for the education, just think what could be done if we did not buy 3 brand new billion dollar each bombers and put that to education!!! WOW

Akilles · Jun 23, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

sorry to disagree withj you.

in order to hack this game you need to hack Anet';s servers, because everything is stored there not on your comp.

i highly doubt there are any people hacking into GW's sservers.

that is the beauty of this game

if it is on the net, it can be hacked, the safest way not to get hacked is to not be on-line. So u just do your best.

The only thing is i doubt a real hacker would find it a useful challenge to hack the servers, where is the benefit? I think they are safe.

Ashleigh McMahon · Jun 23, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Please keep this clean.

Regards, Ashleigh

Nokomis · Jun 23, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Wa$d

I hate to say it, no i REALLY HATE TO SAY THIS

, but Korean's are much smarter than us, and coming from a right wing nationalist, this really pains me to say this, btu just look at their school systems.

Define smarter. Are they better at some things? You betcha. Are Americans better at some OTHER things? Absolutely. Every culture has its strengths and weaknesses.

--Nokomis

Ucilius Winkwalker · Jun 23, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57

I think the solution to make pvp interesting is to have random pvp matches toned up. Honestly, random pvp is where I have the most fun in. In tombs, all the groups are so uptight and serious and restricted to certain formats that is just not as fun. Anet need to give better pvp reward to random matches as well as having more arranged team matches besides the 4 vs 4 in drokar's forge.

Zilm · Jun 23, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

1.Get with a consistent group of people (preferably guildmates), practice together, use a voice system and get better.

2.Quit complaining.

3.Have fun.

Nokomis · Jun 23, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Swarnt Brightstar

Quite frankly Bill Gates is hiring asian people to work in his company over americans. Do you want to know why! because the americans-yes I'm american-are LAZY(also cause we dont have a good enough education)-yes I am-Koreans have always been blue-just a hunch-since the korean war (I think it's the vietnam cant remember been playin to much GW)so they worked alot harder than us. Same thing when teh mahogany-americans were free. they worked one helluva lot harder than we did.

I'm sorry but that is a myth, that Americans are lazy. We have less vacation hours and work more hours per week on average than most developed nations. We don't have siestas. We don't have tea-time. We don't take time off in the middle of the day to go gamble. Nope. The lazy American myth is a leftover from our lovely puritan heritage. You know, that same heritage that makes us think that a child seeing nudity on TV might cause the world to stop spinning, but seeing graphic violence is just fine.

If you want to rip on Americans go for the arrogance or the screwy attitude toward sex and violence. But the whole lazy thing is garbage.

--Nokomis

Jawz Swordthane · Jun 23, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Less bombers? When was the last time The federal government bought us a few bombers.....its been awhile. Please dont bring the military into this, we dont have the equipment we need. Our most reliable "bomber" is a 1950's era B-52. We are in bad need on new weapons systems in the Armed Services. If you dont know anything about the military then please keep your mouth shut about it.

Mr_Intangible · Jun 23, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I hate when people say someone of a race "cheats" its automatically racist... Everyone and anyone has cheated at something in there life time its just how big of a cheat you pulled. I do agree however that HoH isnt fun because of organizing and such it should be random like the other arenas in MY opinion.

Wa$d · Jun 23, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Nokomis

Define smarter. Are they better at some things? You betcha. Are Americans better at some OTHER things? Absolutely. Every culture has its strengths and weaknesses.

--Nokomis

They are just more inteligent, have better thought processes, we on the other had since we have the wealthest country in the world, some people just asume, "hey i dont need to work the government will take care of me", and i hate people like that, soking up wellfare, cant stand that

Mr_Intangible · Jun 23, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Actually America is pretty poor right now....DEFICIT!!!! But back onto topic....HoH should be randomized grouping : )

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 23, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Zaxon

I have noticed over last few days to week less & less people around, if I had to make a guess % I would say 20-30% less people about.

I am based in Australia so yes my play time is usually USA bed time, but I have played since GW was release world wide, and that was like 2 months ago and just this last week ive noticed alot less people about.

I only have 1 assumption for why this is, Tombs mission, its VERY HARD to get a group that can survive the first round let alone get all the way through, and everyday you don't make it ELITE teams are getting better.

I was in a almost perfect group made it through all the challenges and was 1 challenge away from getting to HoH, soon as the map started and other team names poped up - we saw Sissy Boys as one of the oposition, first thought from everyone was they will win we will lose.

Well we didnt ever get to see em some asian group killed us real quick. Which was weird as we killed alloposition upto that point pretty fast and easy, and to be killed so fast in final challenge was so depressing.

SO unless you in a guild group who know each others strengths & weakness's and unless yoru team is perfectly setup ie (smite group - or shutdown group) you havent got a chance.

I have been trying to get to HoH from Tombs since week one of GW and never have made it, I have made 3 lvl 20's now my main now is a healing monk, and I do a real good job but still never have made it.

Thats why I think people are either leaving or playing far less, because you don't stand a chance in Tombs - I can't even begin to contemplate how hard HoH is if Tombs is so hard to get through.

I notice, and actually, i like it... alot... it's most of the whiners, and the people that don't like the game as much that are leaving... Who needs them anyways... they already contributed to the 50$ of buying it, and most likely wouldnt buy an expansion, so i ask again... Who needs them?

And if you're having troubles finding a good group, i would strongly suggest finding a guild that loves to pvp... this is guild wars, and sooner then later, all those without guilds will not be getting groups at all, and will be missing out on alot of action packed guild vs guild battles. (unless they just want to see it from the observer mode. *Anyone know the expected time of arival of that observer mode?*)

Jawz Swordthane · Jun 23, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

As someone who has traveled the world I have noted that American in general are less dependent on the government than most other countries. Here in the USA we practice an economic policy called Capitalism where you are rewarded for working hard and making your own way in this country. Most other counties are Socialists where the government is heavily relied upon to provide for the people (of all demogrphics). BTW saying the Koreans cheat is not rascist, Korea is a country not a race.

Mr_Intangible · Jun 23, 2005, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Smartest thing I heard all day Jawz! Korea is countrty not a race thing I meen.

Draven Mauler · Jun 23, 2005, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Getting off the Korea thing, I would like to put in my two cents about the GW playing format and future in the market.

1. We PvE players are about to become burnt toast:

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GW Official Site

Our next major update will be the introduction of PvP Rewards.

We know that many players right now are having difficulty unlocking items, runes and skills for use in PvP. On our private test servers, we have been testing a new reward system that lets you unlock items, runes, and skills for your pvp only characters through kills and victories in PvP. You'll unlock things faster if you are more successful, but we aren't implementing this system just for the elite players. Our goal is that every player will be able to make progress through normal play.

This won't "hurt" our ability to unlock items but from my experience this update was very much unneccessary for those PvP only guys. Essencially, PvE existed to serve PvP. Now, PvPers can exist in a parallel universe and make it that much more impossible for us PvE players to transition into PvP.

2. I bought the game for $50. $25 of that was for the PvP side of the game. I have not gone to the HoH since the last BWE. I have had similar experiences with Korean and American Guilds in the last two battles before the HoH. As far as I can see I will never make it again and wasted $25 of my money. I have been PvPing in Halo1 and 2, UT, WoW, FFXI, and this was supposed to take the cake? PvP without a l33t Guild is a complete and utter waste of time. Plus getting your ass kicked time and time again, with no real reason to explain why, is in no uncertain terms the worst gaming experience I've ever had.

3. PvE is um.... well you still have to group with ass-hats all the time. Your success rate goes signicantly higher and you can actually make use of the AI NPC henchies, where in PvP I never understood why Anet even put them there in the first place. So I paid $50 for PvE GW, I got level 20 in about 2 weeks (I work and have a family) and had nothing better to do but gather materials for cool armor?.... and do UW quests with even bigger ass-hats. Waste of money and time imho. I like the updates Anet is implementing, they act as mini-expansions. However, its extremely obvious why are numbers are dwindling or will soon be.

I stick around because Anet has produced an excellent product, despite their short-sighted mistakes. I give them an A+ for extremely rich graphics, fluid storyline, and their aggressive stance on haxers and sploits. They get failing grades on actually making skill the only way you can win, eliminating the grind found in all games of this nature, and their putrid guide which I would not pay $5 for.

Mr_Intangible · Jun 23, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Very well put Draven Mauler! I do agree with you that PvE is toast and getting my ass kicked the HoH by a guild that eats and breaths pvp that have no lifes except it...Its all too sad...very sad, cold, frosted.

der kur · Jun 23, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

i think pvp would be worth going to if tombs was actually seperated by fame/rank, instead of having to go in as 0 fame person trying to have fun vs. a 9+ fame junky. theres no learning experience even involved with that, just a waste. and the whole edging of making this game full PVP is lame. they should just do it so all the people that play for the PVE fun can quit and find a better game.

and no hacks/cheats out for gw yet? are you crazy? if none of you know this gw is made by the same company that made l2; the game that became so hacked up with macros, coding exploits, and so on.. that most of the population left to leave the koreans alone with the money-bots.

but hey when i goto tombs with a full team and have each monk on the team magically have their game crash with an "Error 55" code as soon as a battle starts.... just makes me laugh that those rumors about people buying the info of holes in gw's coding for $5,000+ were true.. just another great creation of Nc's......

Ishamael Sedai · Jun 23, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Wa$d

So you know what goes on in Washington DC huh......

........sure you do, yeah go to CNN and read all the bias articals there or MSN or, WNBC, or CBS, or for the best biasness go to turn on the radio and listen to NPR aka nation public radio aka stronghold of the left aka mount everest of bias, and you Know what happens in France huh........i bet the politions in DC thought they did to until they found out about weapons deals in iraq......you know all Ishamael Sedai, all there is to be know and the guy you were critizing makes a better point than you ever will.

I have to say I disagree with you. I could learn reading reports of people who have spent extensive time in Korea and from Koreans themselves. Me vacationing a week in Korea has little or nothing to do with this. I said nothing of which sources to use as you seem to imply that I did. Note I did not say the lazy can figure out what is going on in another part of the world. Surely there are more sources of information than the ones you listed. Ah would it be too hard for someone to check many sources.

Look at the original post that I was responding to. It contradicts itself. He states for us not to assume what Korea is about based on the fact that we have not been to Korea. But then in an attempt to convince us of his position he offers us an article? Wait I thought we were not supposed to assume one way or the other about Korea since we have not been there? Why then are you giving me an article to convince me to take a position when I am not supposed to take a position without going to the country myself?

In my post I used the examples of Washington DC and France which are different from more closed countries.

In saying that I can know what is going on somewhere does not imply that I could know everything that is going on there. I'm suprised you even thought I was saying this since it would be nonsense. Do you really think when I said I could know what is going on in Washington DC I meant I could know secret information? Of course not, but neither could someone if he went on a trip to Washington DC. Good job on twisting the meaning of my statement with "you know all Ishamael Sedai." You can know what is going on in a place without knowing everything that is going on. I never meant that and I am suprised you took it that way. I don't know everything about my own parents. Instead of talking about weapons deals the background of this conversation was gaming. Finally I never said I even know what is going on but that I could know what is going on.

Kaylee Ann · Jun 23, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

EA (the guild I am in) held the halls yesterday afternoon for awhile and half the night. LoD took it from us in the afternoon and held it for a good 2 hours after us. So between 2 American guilds the halls was controlled by America for almost 1/3 of a 24 hour period. Maybe if you quit complaining and blaming everything on losing to the Koreans except for the fact that you suck you might actually win sometimes.

I love how everyone's excuse for losing always resorts to hacks or some other BS reason.

Jun 23, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54	#64
Ashleigh McMahon Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North East England Guild: WoTU[Warlords of the Underworld] Profession: Mo/Me	Please keep this clean. Regards, Ashleigh

Jun 23, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57	#66
Ucilius Winkwalker Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	I think the solution to make pvp interesting is to have random pvp matches toned up. Honestly, random pvp is where I have the most fun in. In tombs, all the groups are so uptight and serious and restricted to certain formats that is just not as fun. Anet need to give better pvp reward to random matches as well as having more arranged team matches besides the 4 vs 4 in drokar's forge.

Jun 23, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03	#67
Zilm Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	1.Get with a consistent group of people (preferably guildmates), practice together, use a voice system and get better. 2.Quit complaining. 3.Have fun.

Jun 23, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33	#69
Jawz Swordthane Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: KS Guild: ESP Profession: W/Mo	Less bombers? When was the last time The federal government bought us a few bombers.....its been awhile. Please dont bring the military into this, we dont have the equipment we need. Our most reliable "bomber" is a 1950's era B-52. We are in bad need on new weapons systems in the Armed Services. If you dont know anything about the military then please keep your mouth shut about it.

Jun 23, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#70
Mr_Intangible Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Undisclosed Location Guild: The Tangible Alliance Profession: N/Me	I hate when people say someone of a race "cheats" its automatically racist... Everyone and anyone has cheated at something in there life time its just how big of a cheat you pulled. I do agree however that HoH isnt fun because of organizing and such it should be random like the other arenas in MY opinion.

Jun 23, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49	#72
Mr_Intangible Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Undisclosed Location Guild: The Tangible Alliance Profession: N/Me	Actually America is pretty poor right now....DEFICIT!!!! But back onto topic....HoH should be randomized grouping : )

Jun 23, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52	#74
Jawz Swordthane Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: KS Guild: ESP Profession: W/Mo	As someone who has traveled the world I have noted that American in general are less dependent on the government than most other countries. Here in the USA we practice an economic policy called Capitalism where you are rewarded for working hard and making your own way in this country. Most other counties are Socialists where the government is heavily relied upon to provide for the people (of all demogrphics). BTW saying the Koreans cheat is not rascist, Korea is a country not a race.

Jun 23, 2005, 06:54 PM // 18:54	#75
Mr_Intangible Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Undisclosed Location Guild: The Tangible Alliance Profession: N/Me	Smartest thing I heard all day Jawz! Korea is countrty not a race thing I meen.

Jun 23, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40	#77
Mr_Intangible Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Undisclosed Location Guild: The Tangible Alliance Profession: N/Me	Very well put Draven Mauler! I do agree with you that PvE is toast and getting my ass kicked the HoH by a guild that eats and breaths pvp that have no lifes except it...Its all too sad...very sad, cold, frosted.

Jun 23, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10	#78
der kur Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	i think pvp would be worth going to if tombs was actually seperated by fame/rank, instead of having to go in as 0 fame person trying to have fun vs. a 9+ fame junky. theres no learning experience even involved with that, just a waste. and the whole edging of making this game full PVP is lame. they should just do it so all the people that play for the PVE fun can quit and find a better game. and no hacks/cheats out for gw yet? are you crazy? if none of you know this gw is made by the same company that made l2; the game that became so hacked up with macros, coding exploits, and so on.. that most of the population left to leave the koreans alone with the money-bots. but hey when i goto tombs with a full team and have each monk on the team magically have their game crash with an "Error 55" code as soon as a battle starts.... just makes me laugh that those rumors about people buying the info of holes in gw's coding for $5,000+ were true.. just another great creation of Nc's......

Jun 23, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52	#80
Kaylee Ann Banned Join Date: May 2005	EA (the guild I am in) held the halls yesterday afternoon for awhile and half the night. LoD took it from us in the afternoon and held it for a good 2 hours after us. So between 2 American guilds the halls was controlled by America for almost 1/3 of a 24 hour period. Maybe if you quit complaining and blaming everything on losing to the Koreans except for the fact that you suck you might actually win sometimes. I love how everyone's excuse for losing always resorts to hacks or some other BS reason.